Fair Play, Honesty, and Integrity

[Bart Drieghe]

Actually Ian , if you count V8 you'll see that he has 86 -87 laps , the first laptime is so high because he missed the start completely and was one lap behind . He did kept on racing during the rest of the race having no stops .

@Richard : I do have to correct you Richard , not every country does it the way it happened during the Elims , belgium , netherlands , hungary , sweden are counting the boats manually (when the computerprogram doesn't count the boat for whatever reason.
Besides , you can read that on Dave's board .
That topic has been made weeks before the Elims . I had noticed the issue in Duisburg and was completely annoyed by the fact that they didn't count manually .

I personally think we should count the boats manually , saying that AMB will be the only system being used , oki , i can follow that but it gives no right not to count the boat manually during the race .
Like i said on Dave's forum , the computer is there to help us , its no miracle thing .

Regards ,
Bart

[No308]

Bart I tried to make the same sort of statement on Dave Marles web site ( Prestwich Models Forum ) and had my comments deleted and my access to his site banned. You have the same grip and understanding as to what went on at the UK World Champs Elims. Your observations of the scores are perfect, some one was robbed of there place by ignoring the UK rule book of having a back up system in place.

Rgds

Richard

[Andy Stafford]

Hi Richard & Bart & Freddie
Long time no see Richard, You need to be carefull what you say richard or you will be banned for life by the fsrv committee like me. Freddie did MULTIMAN ever reveal his name?
You all need to buy some of the bits I have for sale in the for sale section.
Bye 4 now
Andy Stafford

[DAVE]

Hi Richard,
I have to agree with you the racing at the weekend was excellent, and the event seem to be very well run. I also have to agree that we do need fair play in our sport for all that is why we have rules and regulations to abide by.
Before the event I believe that all competitors where made aware that there would be no manual lap counting, only the AMB system as per the World Championships. So please can you tell me why the rules should be different for No8, surely for fair play the rules should be the same for everyone? I can totally appreciate the disappointment of No8 but rules are rules, the same for everyone!
May I suggest that your time would be best spent reading and learning the rules rather than typing posts like this?
Regards  Multiman.

I have raced fsrv for over 20 years in the uk and am seriously thinking of packing it in. I was not at the W/c elims at Elmbridge but have studied the laptimes and find it unbeleivable that the <committee> managed to award just enough extra laps to the Race Winner so that he failed to qualify. I have spoken to people who were there and there is no doubt boat no 8 had the most laps and what followed was and is a travesty of justice. The people involved should be ashamed of themselves and the guy who has taken no 8,s place should be doubly ashamed.
Fair play, Honesty And Integrity left Multi racing in the UK about 5 years ago when certain people started picking on and victimising Andy Stafford and then had him banned, He survived that and then they banned him again for life.
If over the winter months I do decide to pack it in then I will reveal my real name, At the moment I would prefer not to as any dissent against <our> committee results in personal vendettas and bans
Regards
Dave

[Andy Stafford]

Hi DAVE,
Sounds about right to me.
Andy Stafford

[Andy Stafford]

Hi DAVE
Thanks for the email telling me who you are, I sent you all the paperwork I have on the subject but just maybe the membership should have intervened when the  GANG OF 5 started shafting me.
Richard to avoid being banned from forums in the future happen you should not register with the BIASED/ONE MANS OPINIONS ones.
Freddie, I like you have strong opinions and some times the only way to make people listen is to shout.
Andy Stafford

[No308]

Hi Dave?
    It sounds like this open forum is the only you can air your views without being banned or have your comments removed. On the Prestwich Models Forum Dave Marles posted a notice "Any one who mentions the UK World Champs Eliminators will have there comments struck off emmediatly" as he, the administrater does not want this subject discussed in public. The committe has been caught with their trousers down in public and thay need a "Water Gate" cover up.

[Andy Stafford]

Yeah well im sure everybody is aware of my opinions of THE GANG OF 5, Getting back to HONESTY, INTEGRITY,FAIR PLAY and MORALS I can think of 5 people + 1 who have less than the normal amount
Andy

[Fredde Cederberg]

Guys as long as the discussion is creative with NO personal attacks we will let it be. Clearly somethings was wrong at the race and I advice you to make a official protest to your association, there must be rules to handle a protest for this and hopefully they can bring light to what went on and sort it out, I am not taking side on this matter I just want the discussion on this forum to stay clean.

[Andy Stafford]

Sorry Freddie
Andy

[Andy Stafford]

Guys as long as the discussion is creative with NO personal attacks we will let it be. Clearly somethings was wrong at the race and I advice you to make a official protest to your association, there must be rules to handle a protest for this and hopefully they can bring light to what went on and sort it out, I am not taking side on this matter I just want the discussion on this forum to stay clean.

PS
I cannot make a protest coz they banned me for life
Andy

[Fredde Cederberg]

Andy, the ones involved int the problems at the GB Eliminators probably can, and thats what I purpose.

About your life sentence I can only say that it's shame that things like banning for life happens, this is a hobby nothing else.

[Andy Stafford]

I think the biggest problem is that most of the competitors are afraid to speak up in case the same happens to them, And your right, It is only a hobby.
Andy

[DAVE]

I think the biggest problem is that most of the competitors are afraid to speak up in case the same happens to them, And your right, It is only a hobby.
Andy

Hi Freddie/Andy and Richard
I have to say Freddie I think Andy is right, I think most of our members are scared of the committee and the way they behave, As for there being rules for protests etc we them,the problem is that the committee disregard the rules we have when ever it suits them. A few people in the past have tried to alter things and make it more "Just" but they have also received problems from the people who like it how it is, so, rather than keep banging their heads against a brick wall they have moved to Hydro/Offshore or stopped playing with model boats altogether.
I personally can see no way of resolving the problem, If anybody has any ideas how to it would be nice if they could contribute to this discussion. I think in 3/4 years if nothing changes there will hardly be anybody left in the uk racing FSRV except the true<HARDCORE ELEMENT> who class it as a way of life not a hobby.
Just my 2 cents for what there worth
DAVE

[C Fridh]

Maby a report to NAVIGA would work? Aren't they our mother organization?
If there are any "wrong doings" in the national comittee, shouldn't NAVIGA be able to do something?
Just interested in this as a rule... If a You feel wronfully treated by a court of law in Your country, You can have the issue lifted to the EU court. Maby it works the same way with NAVIGA?

I don't know anything about the issues in GB, and I don't take sides (because I don't know anything about it), it is interesting though, to know how the "chain of commands" work in all this...

/Christian