Fair Play, Honesty, and Integrity

[w3bby]

We are hearing from a disgruntled few without knowledge of the full background story. I would have thought that the next place of appeal would be the MPBA as the overall body in the UK.

I must say that a life ban seems extremely harsh.

[Fredde Cederberg]

think most of our members are scared of the committee and the way they behave, As for there being rules for protests etc we them,the problem is that the committee disregard the rules we have when ever it suits them. A few people in the past have tried to alter things and make it more "Just" but they have also received problems from the people who like it how it is,

If you are not saticfied with the people in a comitte, vote for new names on your annual meeting, same as when voting for the government.

Maby a report to NAVIGA would work? Aren't they our mother organization?

NAVIGA won't care, we doesn't even have an internatinal licens.

From what I have heard the issue on the race has been up in  the commitee and result from the race stays as it is.

[DAVE]

If you are not saticfied with the people in a comitte, vote for new names on your annual meeting, same as when voting for the government.

It is very hard to remove a committee member when only the Hardcore Diehards attend and the committee members family are in attendance, I personally think there should be a limit to how many years you can sit on a committee and then you would have fresh faces with new ideas, The usual argument of nobody else will do it is stupid coz SOMEBODY allways doe,s. I think the age old adage of power corrupts is very apt.

From what I have heard the issue on the race has been up in  the commitee and result from the race stays as it is.
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From what I have heard the committee discussed, voted, and then awarded the wronged competitor just enough laps so he failed to qualify. When he asked them why the laps awarded were 2 laps less than the MANUAL COUNT they had and he wanted to see the paperwork they told him that it was now unreadable because of the way they had written on it and had thrown it away.Then later they issued a statement saying they had made a mistake and should never have awarded him any extra laps coz they were only using the transponder system.
As for Disgruntled Members happen you will understand better the reasons why.
DAVE

[Andy Stafford]

We are hearing from a disgruntled few without knowledge of the full background story. I would have thought that the next place of appeal would be the MPBA as the overall body in the UK.

I must say that a life ban seems extremely harsh.

When I was banned it was for I year, I apealed to the MPBA executive /overall committee and at the same time told them i wanted to withdraw my refusal to accept my world championship place, I was told I had withdrawn in writing and could not have my place back. The competitor who gained his place by default has done exactly the same thing yet the committee refused to accept it. The appeal that I attended was to coin a phrase < a kangaroo court>. I was not allowed to see any of the so called evidence against me, Not allowed to see the FSRV committee,s statements saying I intimidated, Bullied and frightened them, Or even to talk/cross examine the fsrv committtee who had been told to attend and were sat in the next room 3m away.
I was told I would get the verdict on my appeal in writing and approx 3 weeks later I did, It said I was banned for 1 year and should I choose to rejoin in 2009 I could but would be on probation.
When I attempted to rejoin I was refused, I asked how long I was banned for 18 months ago and am still waiting for the answer. I figure its for life
In my opinion appealing to the NEC is a total waste of time.
Andy Stafford

[No308]

Hi Andy
I think you are right about the NEC I have received no communications from them at all regarding any proposals or complaints. I think they just pass it back down the line to the Multi Race Committee and then you are back where you started. Catch 22 situation in the UK.

Rgds

Richard

[No308]

Hi Dave
I hope you do not give up racing in the UK out of frustration and the misuse of the rules. The outcome of all this discussion should make the point that the rules voted on by the membership should not and can not be changed on a whim by the committee or an individual. The rules voted on by the members at the AGM must be applied and used correctly. Plus we should have a uniform set of race rules all over the world just like snooker.

Rgds

Richard

[No308]

Hi Andy. I know you have a very large AXE to grind but this discussion is about "Fair Play, Honesty, and Integrity". We all know you were at the receiving end of foul play. What we are trying to do here is to eradicate it happening again and in the future, starting with a unified fair system of lap counting, used by all at all levels. This should be used at Club level all the way up to World Championship Level. Maybe this will be the start of a change in the way the UK abuses the rules.

Rgds  Richard Harris 

[Andy Stafford]

Hi Richard,
Yes my AXE is pretty big "Bigger than Gimli,s", I doubt if you can stop this happening again, As you can see from the replies you have had only myself and DAVE are giving any input and he is frightened of repercussions if he reveals his true identity. What is needed is competitors from all over the world to voice their opinions on this matter. Assuming that everything said so far is the truth, Which it is, If enough of a furore was raised then maybe the FSRV committee or if not, The MPBA NEC would ensure this type of rule breaking / ill treatment of members would not carry on.
Andy

[w3bby]

I would suggest that the proper place to air your grievances is the MPBA annual general meeting. A look through the MPBA Rules should give you the correct procedure for complaints and appeals.

It is very hard to remove a committee member when only the Hardcore Diehards attend and the committee members family are in attendance......... The usual argument of nobody else will do it is stupid coz SOMEBODY allways does........

Complaining that the only people to attend the AGM are the hard core diehards is part of the problem in most clubs, by not attending one only exacerbates the situation described. If the family members are also members of the MPBA/section then they have, I presume, the right to attend and vote.
The argument that nobody else will do it is valid, if no one goes to the meeting and no one volunteers for election then no one can vote for them. The situation is the same in Sweden and the most volatile critics always seem to be those that don't attend. In a democracy if you don't take part in the process then you have to accept the decisions of those that do.

[DAVE]

Hi Ian,
I agree with what you are saying but I think the point Andy is trying to make is that there are always very few people to take a committee position and the ones there are, Are too afraid to stand because of the reppurcussions they feel will be brought against them if they fail to become elected. I personally have seen them recount a vote on a rule change up to 3 times because it was not what they wanted. People ie members will only bang there head against a brick wall for so long untill they figure it is a waste of time.
DAVE

[No308]

Hi Dave.
  Well you are not on your own when it comes to putting your hand up at an AGM, if you go against the committee you are ostracized by all those who follow the committee. Also the committee is ruled by one man, who’s views and decisions will not be challenged.  Richard

[Thomas Ljungström]

Hi all!

Let me first agree with Fredrick (as administrator), keep personal attacks out and just make your voice heard and I'm fine with it. When I was first contacted by topic starter I couldn't imagine what was to come...

Banned for life? Consequences for runner up in elections?
I know nothing about this matter, except for what I read, but this is more dictatorship than democracy (and fun).
History should have taught us a few things about dictatorships...

Maybe some of us (Swedes) should emigrate and join your federation? Sonja Kovalevsky (professor at university of Stockholm) wrote in 1890: "A relatively free and calm history has developed a temper of logical sense among the Swedes who do not admit a large cleavage between word and action and are not content with empty phrases".

I sincerely hope that the ruling of your federation are exaggerated in these post's, but I fear that they are not.

I pray that something good comes out of this, somehow. Meaning that we 'air' it.

Rgds
thomas   

[DAVE]

Well said, I hope you are right but I doubt it. As you can see from the earlier posts there has been no response from the UK MPBA, As usual they will not discuss anything and work along the lines of if we ignore it it will go away.
DAVE

[Fredde Cederberg]

You can never expect a federation to start argueing on a forum, if they do thay are on deep water.

The forum is a chance for everybody to discuss matters, to make a change you have to get people with you and make it on your AGM.

[Andy Stafford]

There is not a lot of point in going to an FSRV AGM in the uk because the chairman just says " That is all in the past and we are not discussing it" and that folks as they say is as simple as that.
Andy